Location: Paris France
A question for Geoff Martin on BL8000 Damping…
30 replies
Hi alls,
UPDATE: the foam in my pictures are not set correctly, good way to install them is as on Beobuddy pictures or the third drawing some post below, in the center of the speaker, around the woofers. Apologies.
Sorry for the catchy title but better ask god than its saints. Nevertheless any comment is of course welcome.
Today I replaced the damping foams in a Beolab 8000.
First thing that hits me was that the replacement kit isn't a piece for piece set.
The main difference is that the upper part now consist in vertical pieces along the aluminium pipe and two horizontal pieces, one around the bass port tube and the other above the tweeter, where before there was just a gasket from amplifier board to top plate around the pipe but without any horizontal separation.
I vaguely remember an answer from Geoff once, I can't remember the precise topic but it was something like "the problem is the speed of the air in the bass port tube…". Sorry for being imprecise but its just from memory. Still, that was something that made me think "whoa, this things are more complicated that you think…"
So here is the question: with the new damping kit, isn't the bass port intake "sealed" by the V shaped piece that separates the speaker area from the bass port area ? Aren't the air movements altered in some way?
And the "outrageous" question: With all the instances of Beolab 8000, are the kit you can order by now (3332084) adapted to any BL8000 whatever the period?
For the record, when looking after this sets to buy, somebody (in the business) told me the foam are "useless" and they remove them each time they have 8000's to repair.
Before
Login to view image
After…
Login to view image
Location: Paris France
Hi,
Sorry it took a while - I didn't know that we sold these kits so I had to do some investigating...
After asking all the right people, we've agreed that the thick foam is mounted incorrectly. It has a hole in it that allows you place it so that the bottom of the port is flush with the bottom of the foam. This will also make it perpendicular with the sidewall of the loudspeaker - not angled as it is in the second photo.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
-geoff
PLEASE READ before sending me a Personal Message.
If you have questions about or problems with B&O equipment, these should be directed through your dealer and/or B&O's Customer Service department.
I cannot be a "short circuit", bypassing these communication channels.
Thanks
-geoff
Thank you Geoff for your answer, I was just worried my question became "invisible" with new topics coming along…
I adjusted the piece around the bass port tube, but what I don't understand is isn't the V shaped piece (the one just below the entry tube one) preventing the air coming from the woofer movement going through the bass port?
Actually I did "feel" that something is coming from the bass port by getting closer to the sounding speaker, but I'd like to understand the rough theory behind this since the original foams and the replacement are not alike at all.
Below, the foam kit guide…
Thank you Geoff.
Login to view image
Location: Paris France
It was only invisible to me, since I don't drop by here very often.
As I said, I didn't know that B&O made this kit until you asked about it - and the only information I have about it is what you've shown here.
However, if one of the pieces of foam is blocking the entry to the port, then something isn't placed correctly.
PLEASE READ before sending me a Personal Message.
If you have questions about or problems with B&O equipment, these should be directed through your dealer and/or B&O's Customer Service department.
I cannot be a "short circuit", bypassing these communication channels.
Thanks
-geoff
Thank You Geoff.
Location: Paris France
Hi,
The foam material does breathe. The sound absorption is greater the higher the frequency, so the base port should be getting all the lower frequencies. I have changed the foam damping in my BL8000s to the updated version a number of years ago. The base response was not impacted. I use a pink noise generator along with a real time spectrum analyzer to adjust my system to be as "flat" as best I can. The lowest frequencies needed to be turned down a bit to get to "flat" response.
I think the foam materials and location info provided by B&O are just fine to use as-is.
Bill
Hi Bill, thank you for the explanation. It helps.
This is a schematic view of the Beolab 8000 internals:
Login to view image
From top to bottom: top plate, bass port, tweeter, 2 woofers, amplifier section, base cone.
The new damping looks like this:
Login to view image
Then after your comment, it blocks the high frequencies from the tweeter, but allows low frequencies coming from the woofers to "fill" the whole speaker, right?
I should add that if the kit didnt come with instructions, I would have placed them like that:
Login to view image
To "push" all the air towards the bass port.
Location: Paris France
I'm not allowed to do it inside anymore. :-)
Login to view image
Location: Utrecht
Quite a challenge to achieve "Less is More" while having the Beovirus.
The newer version of foam has been improved compared with to the previous one. The foam sits tight around the bass pipe to prevent audible resonance at lower frequencies.
The V-shape sits on top of the other parts and provides a "chamber" for the drivers.
Location: Utrecht
Quite a challenge to achieve "Less is More" while having the Beovirus.
Please Log In to Reply
You must be logged in as a BeoWorld member to post replies to forum threads.
or
Join BeoWorld
Register to access the forums, reference material, and exclusive member benefits — including our monthly prize draw.
Become a Member