Beolab20 Bass issues
12 replies
Hello,
Does anybody know how I can disable ABL on my BL20s? As far as I know ABL is adaptive bass linearization. I still can't digest the fact that on loud volumes the speakers bass doesn't even disturb the next room.
Some Rap/R&B tracks are mostly deep bass and believe me this doesn't sound great on my speakers.
Engineering since ever...
As far as I know, ABL was mainly developed to lift the 'presence' of bass in the lower volumes.
So I think that relatively seen, it does not boost bass in the higher volumes.
Probably there are other forum members who know more about ABL. Please comment.
Location: The Netherlands
My B&O Icons:
I've doubt that it can be disabled. ABL attenuates the bass at high volumes to protect the speakers so, if there were a way to turn it off, you'd risk damaging your drivers. Hence, many B&O speakers are known for being "screechy" at high volumes. The screech is an indication that you should probably lower the volume. Do you have a very large room or do you just enjoy music at "club" levels?
When I say high volumes I mean 55-60 max because I have neighbors but the speakers are 30 cm from the wall as seen in the pic. It's an open space that I have around 80m2 but nevertheless and from my experience low frequency bass should be heard specifically if you stand in the corner which is not happening.
The speakers are capable of going as low as 19 Hz ( yeah +-3 dB ) but the point is that this bass is being somehow cancelled and you can feel that the speakers are intentionally cutting deep bass for some reason. I tried playing with the Avant settings and trying different settings but they all are the same.
One thing I would like to mention is that the dealer visited me couple of months ago and updated the firmware of the speakers and I feel that ever since, the issue was amplified. Could be my imagination but certainly not what I'm expecting.
I have a pair of old stand floor bipolar mirage speakers each with 2 x 6" bass drivers each and believe me the bass extension can be heard in the entire building. Certainly not possible with the BL20's which is very very odd.
I'm honestly out of ideas and the speakers are set to freestanding mode which is the highest bass you can get.
Login to view image
Engineering since ever...
If you like to read into this topic, here’s an article about B&O’s ABL. It describes that ABL is not just one system, it has evolved with new speaker systems. But there’s hopefully something you will learn form it:
https://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2013/11/07/bo-tech-what-is-abl/
Location: The Netherlands
My B&O Icons:
Thanks. It looks like I did a mistake and picked up a $15k pair of speakers that have a very aggressive ABL and that was the difference between the BL5 and the BL20s.
I also believe that the latest firmware update had changed the characteristics of the ABL because even the dealer admitted that the MK1 version had a lot of circuit board replacement and power supply failures so that's my only explanation.
Will call the dealer and see if I can downgrade the firmware and report from there.
Engineering since ever...
It is not possible to disable the ABL algorithm, however:
Disabling the ABL will not increase the level of bass (relative to the other frequency bands) in any Beolab loudspeaker.
If you were able to disable the ABL, you would merely get distortion caused by clipping of the signal - either caused by
- excessive excursion of the loudspeaker drivers
- reaching the limits of the amplifiers, or
- reaching the limits of the power supply.
PLEASE READ before sending me a Personal Message.
If you have questions about or problems with B&O equipment, these should be directed through your dealer and/or B&O's Customer Service department.
I cannot be a "short circuit", bypassing these communication channels.
Thanks
-geoff
Hi Geoff, I was commenting on your blog but looks like you were faster.
I do realize that the Avant has in Sound settings an option to enable/disable loudness as well as clipping protection but lack of bass extension in the 40Hz down to whatever the Bl20 can play is surprising.
Do you believe changing the source would change the speakers behavior? I don't wanna waste my money if the speakers are designed to play the way they are.
Engineering since ever...
Hi!
Maybe it so simple (and difficult) as speaker placement? The BL20 is a full range speaker, but the lowest frequency may not be possible to hear in your listening position.. Thats the great thing with subwoofers, they can be placed where the bass fills the room (or your listening position) the best. While the speakers is placed for best imaging and stereo seperation.
Just for a test - try to use the subwoofer-trick to place one of your BL20. Place it your listening position and walk around the room and find where the bass is best - then put the speaker at that spot.
/Robert
Have you ever tried connecting the Beolab 20's to a different source/using different cables?
Looking at your photo (nice room!), the 20's should absolutely deliver enough 'bass' in this setup.
Please Log In to Reply
You must be logged in as a BeoWorld member to post replies to forum threads.
or
Join BeoWorld
Register to access the forums, reference material, and exclusive member benefits — including our monthly prize draw.
Become a Member