First start of a BM6000 "not Working"

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Hi, I just got a Beomaster 6000 that was "Not working" The first thing noticed was the Lower of the two fuses beside the transformer was partially out of its holder.   I want to make sure I am careful to not make things worse on start up. I have read that Variac's are good for initial start up of tube equipment, but it appears opinions are mixed on solid state equipment. What is the best way to start this up for the first time?

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chilibt
I have always used variacs while monitoring the current. I assume you meant that one side of the fuse was not making contact.
I use a special transformer, switchable in 10V steps... 10 - 240V, with Volt and Ampere Display. Instead of a fuse a 220V light bulb can help, if there is a shortcut problem... a light goes on.  
In addition to the above suggestions, there is also the option for testing the various boards or subsystems separately. For example the power supplies can be tested with the other boards disconnected. The main amp can be tested using bench power supplies, etc. My main goal in this situation is to avoid damaging parts that are hard or impossible to replace. For a BM6000, the microprocessor would be the main concern. Make sure that the 5v and 6.5v supplies to Board 2 are in spec. I would also remove and test the large capacitors on the power supply before applying any power. The "best way" to power-up an old piece of equipment depends a lot on your goals (how serious you are about preserving the machine) and resources (what test equipment you have to work with). For some people, all they need to do is plug the machine into an outdoor outlet if their main goal is simply not to stink up the house with electronics smoke ;-). It would be easier for people to provide detailed help if you provide more information about YOUR goals and resources. Glitch
Thanks for the advice, This is a 120V unit.  Preservation of This receiver is the goal.  I currently have a dc power supply, multimeters,  and could buy a variac if it is the best way to start the test of the unit. This has one fuse out of its holder on one end of the holder-not touching, and was sold as "not working" ...making me think that the fuse out of place may be why it was "not working".  There is no smell or visual damage inside so it gives more evidence that it could be a out of place fuse as the culprit. Restoration to operational is the goal. The Variac was the unknown to use for me as the damage of the main IC was my concern. I read conflicting accounts on the use of a variac with modern (non tube) receivers and most information on variacs are tube focused. I have another unit which has a problem with the amp board shutting down the receiver, both these units have some scuffs on the aluminum. Ideally I will make one unit the best exterior and a fully restored interior by using all best parts, and the second will have the worst exterior panels  but be restored and have a functioning receiver (the exterior aluminum may not look as nice). I like the idea of testing the main Power supply (PS) capacitors and unplugging the boards to test the PS first.  Would a variac be good here or just give it a try once the caps were determined as OK.

Location: canada

chilibt
I also read that starting with a Variac should be done at 70 or 90 volts and not lower.  If a variac were to be recommended, then which initial voltage would be recommended?

Location: canada

chilibt
A few months ago I did a similar project of getting several BM6000's (that were put away "broken") working again. I have a Variac, but didn't bother pulling it out of storage for this project since I didn't think there was much risk at destroying anything irreplaceable in the power supplies. However, when I did power-up the main supply, Board 16, I used a rig that has a light bulb in series.  The order I did things was:
  1. Test the capacitors
  2. Test the main power supply (Board 16)
  3. Test the CPU power supply (Board 6)
  4. Test the main amp (Board 9) with a bench power supply. I brought the voltage up slowly with current limits in place. This is a good time to adjust the no-load current and offset voltage.
  5. Reassemble everything except the power connector to the main amp and test with the light bulb rig. It is hit or miss that the receiver will start in this configuration since the RESET circuit will likely trip.
  6. Test with the main amp power connected and the light bulb rig.
  7. Try power-up connected directly to the mains (only if step 5 & 6 looks good)
I recall that there was a signal or two that used the edge connectors as a safety circuit which kept the receiver from powering-up if the connector was off. These can be found by tracing through the schematics. Glitch
Thank you for an easy to follow checklist, it is greatly appreciated. As a hobbyist (Not Tech)  of course this leads to more questions that you can hopefully answer: Test the capacitors    OK (main  power  caps are to be tested) Test the main power supply (Board 16)By regular mains power after checking caps and disconnecting other boards? Test the CPU power supply (Board 6): Using power from the main power supply board 16(above) once tested? Test the main amp (Board 9) with a bench power supply. This is a part that could go bad for me, can you confirm  (P34-1 [50v -] and P34-4 [50v+]  to be the  power pins, I brought the voltage up slowly with current limits in place. What current limits did you use? This is a good time to adjust the no-load current and offset voltage. Reassemble everything except the power connector to the main amp and test with the light bulb rig (what bulb wattage? 60, 75 or higher?  The specs say the amp has 50-300 watts consumption). It is hit or miss that the receiver will start in this configuration since the RESET circuit will likely trip. Test with the main amp power connected and the light bulb rig. Try power-up connected directly to the mains (only if step 5 & 6 looks good)  Thanks again for your help in this start up process.

Location: canada

chilibt
Test main power supply
  1. [PLUG OUT]
  2. Remove P41 & P42 from Board 16 and P34 from Board 9. Leave P40 connected on Board 16.
  3. [PLUG IN] Measure the 6.5v signal on pins 1 & 5 on P41. This may read high (~10v) since there is no load on it. Measure the 15v signal on pins 9 & 6 on P42. This should be very close to 15v. [PLUG OUT]
  4. Pull P19 on Board 6. Energize the rail voltage relay by connecting B16-P42-9 to B6-P19-8 and B16-P42-6 to B6-P19-10 (i.e. supply 15v to the relay)
  5. [PLUG IN] Measure the +50v and -50v rails at the capacitors. Measure the +32v signal at B16-P42-3 and B16-P42-9. This will also read high (~35v) since there is no load on it. [PLUG OUT]
  6. Reconnect P41 and P42 on Board 16. Leave P40 on Board 16 disconnected.
Test CPU power supply
  1. Remove P2 and P5 from Board 2
  2. [PLUG IN] Measure the CPU +5v on P5-1 and P5-3. This should be very close to 5.00v. Measure the +6.5v signal on P2-2 (it will still read ~10v) [PLUG OUT]
  3. Reconnect P2 and P5 on Board 2
  4. [PLUG IN] Measure the +6.5 signal on B2-P2-2.  This should be close to 6.5v now. Measure the "other" +5v signal on B2-P2-3. This might read a few tenths of a volt high. [PLUG OUT]
Test Main Amp with Bench Power Supply 1. Connect to power supply
  • B9-P34-1    -50v*     * Start at about +-10v and work your way up
  • B9-P34-2    GND
  • B9-P34-3    GND  (I can't remember if pins 2 & 3 are connected on the board)
  • B9-P34-4    +50v*
  • B9-P31-3    GND**
  • B9-P32-3   GND**
** The ground signals on P31 & P32 are not connected to the grounds on P34 on Board 9. I think B&O wired things this way to avoid a ground loop within the chassis. 2. Set power supply voltage to +-10v and the current to about 0.10A 3. Connect voltmeters to measure the Idle Current and Offset Voltage per the Service manual 4. [POWER ON]  Adjust R110/R210 for an idle current "voltage" of around 5mV and R134/R234 for an offset voltage near 0.0v. The actual voltages are not critical now as long as they are below the 22mV and near the 0.0V that you are trying for at full voltage. 5. Increase the +- rail voltages in steps of say 10v at a time while watching the idle current and offset voltage and adjusting the trim pots as needed. You will need to increase to current limit as you go to about 0.3A 6. Work you way up to +-50v while keeping things in spec.   [POWER OFF] 7. Wait for things to cool off to room temp 8. [POWER ON]  Do a final adjustment per the service manual [POWER OFF] At idle, all of my BM6000 draw about 0.19A on the -50V rail and 0.17A on the +50V rail. For the light bulb wattage, I use a 150w bulb for most things. Other sizes should work as well. You won't (hopefully) be drawing anywhere near the bulb rating since you aren't trying to run the amp at full power. The bulb should stay very dim except when the the relay kicks on and the rail capacitors charge (it takes less than a second). I just ran through the power supply steps on one of my BM6000's to verify that I remembered what I did correctly. Please double check the procedures against the schematic (and common sense) to be sure that I didn't make any typos, etc. The amp check-out procedure is from memory, so be more careful with that. Don't hesitate to ask if it looks like I forgot a step or if my description isn't clear. BTW, I will sometimes hook up the main amp to a music source and speakers as part of the bench test. This can help provide confidence that all is well with the amp. It also saves the steps of install/remove if something else on the amp needs to be fixed. Be sure to post results of your progress. Glitch    
Thanks Glitch, (I responded twice so far and get "errors" and lose the text.  I am trying again.) This is an amazing list of steps that will help me and others start up an "unknown" unit.  Thank you very much! I have some questions about grounding and test points,  my questions are in bold: Test Main Amp with Bench Power Supply 1. Connect to power supply B9-P34-1    -50v*     * Start at about +-10v and work your way up B9-P34-2    GND  What ground do I use,  the chassis, the removed conector, of the Mains ground? B9-P34-3    GND  (I can’t remember if pins 2 & 3 are connected on the board)  As above? B9-P34-4    +50v* B9-P31-3    GND**  As above B9-P32-3   GND** ** The ground signals on P31 & P32 are not connected to the grounds on P34 on Board 9. I think B&O wired things this way to avoid a ground loop within the chassis. 2. Set power supply voltage to +-10v and the current to about 0.10A 3. Connect voltmeters to measure the Idle Current and Offset Voltage per the Service manual 4. [POWER ON]  Adjust R110/R210 for an idle current “voltage” of around 5mV and R134/R234 for an offset voltage near 0.0v. The actual voltages are not critical now as long as they are below the 22mV and near the 0.0V that you are trying for at full voltage.   The Test points (TP) in the testing diagrams and schematics, list the TP on R244/243 and R144/143.  The actual PCB has a different point indicated as printed on the Board.  The printing shows the adjacent small Resister as the test point.  I believe it is printed on the PCB wrong.  I am attaching photos of the different boards and spots.  Am I correct,  the error is on the PCB? Thanks again for the list.  I will be working on and posting the results after Christmas. Regards Terry    

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chilibt
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