Apple TV Siri remotes and IR Beovision

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Posted October 18, 2023 at 11:41 GMT ? Edited November 20, 2024 at 17:21 GMT

This post is a sum up of findings regarding the different Apple TV Siri remotes abilities to control B&O TV’s via IR The post is based on this thread Setup on Apple TV. In the settings menu/app on the Apple TV go to remotes and devices enable the functions: - Turn on your TV with your remote (if it is a TV with DVI port this option will probably be grayed out) - Volume control: Auto via IR (TV). Note that this option can be grayed out if the Apple TV don't register the brand of the TV with a handshake. This can for example be due to use of an HDMI audio extractor in between the TV and the Apple TV Setup on B&O TV The Apple TV remote can only send the source command TV. In order to use this function properly you have to assign the TV source command to the HDMI port used with the Apple TV. On some Beovision TV's this is not be possible when a TV tuner is in use. If this is the case or if you like to use the TV command for another source it is better not to activate this function to avoid weird behavior. On older TV's with only DVI port to connect the Apple TV to the source is usually fixed to the B&O IR command PC. Turn on the TV with the Siri remote A press on any of the hard buttons on the Siri remote should make the remote send the TV IR signal even when an Apple TV is not connected. Sometimes for unknown reasons the Siri remote 1st. gen is not sending the IR signal. I have tried to receive the signal with the IR receiver connected to my computer in these cases, and is not able to pick up an IR signal. On other forums where other TV brands are discussed some people have suggested that the home button should be hold down for up to 5 seconds or be pressed three times in a row. I haven't seen a pattern where this applies for my B&O TV. Turn off the TV with the Siri remote This requires the Apple TV to be connected and turned on. On the Siri remote press and hold the Home button (on the 3rd. gen SIRI remote also the on/off button can be used). In the submenu presented press sleep. After the Apple TV has gone to sleep keep pointing the remote at the TV's IR receiver for a few more seconds. The IR signal will first be sent after the Apple TV is gone to sleep. If you fail to keep the remote pointed at the TV for long enough the TV will keep running but with a black screen. On a Beoplay V1 it will signal the loss of signal from the Apple TV with the Green LED beside the IR receiver lightning up for a moment. To clarify how this behaviour looks, try to press the menu button on the BEO4 remote so there is a B&O menu overlay over the Apple TV interface. Do the above procedure and you will se that the Apple TV interface disapeers and a few minutes later the TV turns off. Is some cases my experience is that the TV will turn on right after it has started turning off. I Assume this might be because the Siri remote is sending the TV IR command when the remote is pressed to choose sleep. Control volume on the TV with the Siri remote Press the + or – button's to turn up or down volume. This also works without the Apple TV connected and turned on. I have not experienced any problems with the volume control function of the Siri remote. On the 3rd gen Siri remote there is also a Mute button that will work for muting Beovision Turn on the TV with airplay from an iPhone og iPad When an airplay signal (music or video) is sent from and iPhone or an iPad to the Apple TV the Apple TV will relay a turn on command to the Siri remote which will then send a TV IR command to the TV and turn i on. The TV can be turned of with the use of the remote App on the iPhone or iPad. For these functionalyites to to work the Siri remote must point at the TV and be connected to the Apple TV. For the 1st gen Siri remote these functionalites are not stable. If the Apple TV has been to sleep before the Airplay signal is sent the connection to the Siri remote is probably lost. Only way to reconnect the Siri remote is to activate one of the buttons. I have found that the connection can only be kept alive if the Apple TV is setup to newer go to sleep and the Siri remote is connected to a charging cable. (I have kept the connection alive for 10 hours over night in my trials). Even when these precautions are taken this will not always work. I suspect that it might have to do with the missing IR signal mentioned in the section on turning on the TV. Guy's testing with the 3rd. gen Siri remote however shows that this functionality is much more stable with that version. As you can see all these functions are not stable and that might be the reason Apple has not mentioned B&O in their documentation for the Apple TV 's. I hope that this at least can be of use to some forum members and maybe help avoiding mystical behaviors introduced by the Siri remote

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Posted October 18, 2023 at 11:52 GMT

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Yesterday I was visiting my parents, and short before I had to leave I helped them force quit an app on their Apple TV 4K (3rd gen). They have never used the Siri remote as the control the ATV via PUC from their Beoplay V1. But in order to force quit the app I had to use the Siri remote. First thing that happened when I touched the home button on the Siri remote was that the Beoplay V1 switched to source TV (their apple TV is on V.MEM). I tried again a couple of times and the same thing happened. When I covered the IR eye on the Siri remote this did not happen, so it seems that the IR control with B&O remote codes are back in the 3rd gen Siri remote. Unfortunately I was in a hurry to get home, so didn't have time to do more tests. I will do more testing the next time I visit them and in the meantime I hope that other members are able to use this. My guess is that the functionality is much the same as in the 1st gen siri remote as described in the first post in this thread and in the old post.

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Guy

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Posted October 18, 2023 at 12:12 GMT ? Edited October 18, 2023 at 12:15 GMT

#704535

Thanks for bringing this useful thread to the new forum - I have referred to it several times both to answer other users questions and to remind myself of the siri remote capabilities.

(Looking at that wiki naming convention - we may need to rename the '2.gen' siri remote in your picture as Gen 1.1 . They call the new shape (with Lightning) siri remote Gen 2) I have been quite happy with my Apple TV HD with 1st gen (no white circle) siri remote with my BV10-32. I would like to be able to bring up the Control Center but can't do so as there is no way to 'press and hold the TV button - but I think my PUC may be an older Apple TV version. My only reason for updating to the latest Apple TV 4K may be to make use of the onscreen FaceTime capability that was introduced with the last tvOS. It doesn't work with the older HD version.
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Posted October 18, 2023 at 12:18 GMT

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siri_Remote (Looking at that wiki naming convention – we may need to rename the ‘2.gen’ siri remote in your picture as Gen 1.1 . They call the new shape (with Lightning) siri remote Gen 2)

Thanks for your input Did not notice what connector type was on it, but will have to look at it next time I'am there, so it might as well be a 2. gen then. Also I will have to check the SW version. I will dive into that naming convention and update the first post accordingly.

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Posted October 21, 2023 at 17:48 GMT ? Edited October 21, 2023 at 17:51 GMT

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Okay so today (prompted by Maskp's posts above and to satisfy my curiosity) I purchased an Apple TV 4K (3rd Generation) with Wifi and Ethernet (the A2843 model) to use with my ageing BV10-32. This came with the 3rd generation siri remote with USB-C charging port as mentioned above. Annoyingly I forgot to try the siri remote volume control before connecting the Apple TV to the TV, but gave it a try during setup, and it worked straight away to control the TV's volume by IR! Great news! However about 20 minutes later (after I had completed the rest of the setup, including tvOS17.0 update) it stopped working. In my frustration I reset the Apple TV to factory settings and TV volume control starting working again. So it would appear that B&O have re-introduced the B&O IR codes to the latest 3rd generation siri remote. I did a quick check of the remote's firmware version - it was initially 0x21 but later updated automatically to 0x33 - both worked fine for volume control. I did a quick test of setting the siri remote to turn the TV on and off (using ATV's 'Home Cinema control') and it sent the expected IR signals and when turning on would bring up 'TV' as previously (rather than DTV). Occasionally it would turn the TV off and then back on again a few seconds later - perhaps the ATV was getting extra messages from the TV's STB/PUC. I have now deselected 'Turn On Your TV with Your Remote' to OFF as I won't use this function. Whilst playing around with settings the remote volume stopped working again, but I simply used Apple's guide I hope this is useful - @madskp it will be interesting to hear whether your parents' siri remote is the same version with USB-C charging, and also how well it works with the much more modern Beoplay V1!!

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Posted October 21, 2023 at 19:01 GMT

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Posted October 22, 2023 at 10:27 GMT ? Edited October 22, 2023 at 11:29 GMT

#704598

It may be worth copying their naming convention, as they call the white circle version 'Siri Remote (1st generation, Rev A)'. The site also shows that the non-white-circle remote is still at FW 0x0257. All remotes are shown here:
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Posted October 22, 2023 at 10:39 GMT ? Edited October 22, 2023 at 10:40 GMT

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Just wanted to add a minor observation: Although that linked site lists remote FW as 0x033, it is actually displayed on the 3rd gen ATV as 0x33: (I think that the older ATV's showed the second '0' - can't check as mine is now disconnected) Login to view image
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Posted October 22, 2023 at 11:28 GMT

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One other test: I just connected my older 1st gen (no white circle) siri remote to the new 3rd gen Apple TV 4K. It works fine including IR volume control of the TV. However, when I then connect the 3rd gen siri remote back to the 3rd gen Apple TV, the 1st gen siri remote stops controlling volume, even when the Apple TV is turned off and the Beovision playing normal off-air TV. I worked out that you need to get the 3rd gen Apple TV to 'forget' the 1st gen remote. I re-connected the 1st gen remote to my 3rd gen Apple TV, and then put the remote in the garage where is was out of range. I then used my iPhone to control the Apple TV, went to the 'remote' option and there was an option to 'forget' the 1st gen siri remote. I then re-connected the 3rd gen siri remote. Bringing the 1st gen siri remote back into the room, it would control B&O TV volume again without being connected to the Apple TV. A bit confusing but I hope this makes sense! ?
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Posted October 22, 2023 at 11:50 GMT

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:-)

https://appledb.dev/device/ATVRemote1,2.html It may be worth copying their naming convention, as they call the white circle version ‘Siri Remote (1st generation, Rev A)’. The site also shows that the non-white-circle remote is still at FW 0x0257. All remotes are shown here: https://appledb.dev/device-selection/Remote.html
Ok I wasn't expecting the firmwares on these older ones to have had updates, but good to know. I will look into their naming convention and maybe also use the Axxxx numbers to avoid any misunderstandings.

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