Beosound Theatre - The quest for rear speakers
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Beolab 5 do not work with WiSa, don't ask me why but it have always been the case, so you need to hardwire it.
Thats very good information, thank you!
Currently I have a powerlink from Left BL5 to right BL5. Furthermore I have a Digital Coax from Left to right. So Right is the end of the chain.
If I run a PL from Theatre to RIGHT Bl5 would it then play on both BL5s or just the one? Question being if it the BL5 would distribute the sound between both?
Basicly you can do anything, you’d want to with the speaker set up?
However, if anything is good, is another question??
You could (and should) try out what you propose, but you will have to remove the Core/Coax and run pure PL from the Theatre (daisychaining is possible).
The roles for the speakers etc is set up in the Theatre/app.
You can make as many Listening Positions as you like (and delete those again). Do remember to take time in account - and you need to take off the frontcover for connecting the microphone.
If you do not like what you hear……
…...as I see it you have some other options:
1: Bite the bullet and reorganize the speakers (in the end your wife will get used to it) for a as good as possible setup = the 5’s as fronts and a set of BL17’s as rears/surrounds (these are WiSA capable).
Or as an option for this - when B&O will have sorted out the Theatre/Receiver 1 problem - a set of BL3’s.
You do not need the Core for that setup - the Theatre offers everything a Core has and more.
2: Use the 5’s and the Core as is…..for music.
Add rears/surrounds to the Theatre as described above - this alone will certainly bring a lot to the Theatre.
3: Depending on your room layout and the seating/listening position, move and set up the BL5’s (PL cable required) as surrounds for the Theatre and make an additional Listening Position/speaker group for listening to music/radio with the 5’s only.
P.S.
You will never be able to connect the 5’s via a receiver 1 - it does not work with the 5’s.
P.P.S.
Certain rumours say that there at some point will be an option of connecting the new Mozart based speakers as surrounds.
But!!! It is way to early to say anything about when and how this would work or whether you can mix with wired speakers in the front etc etc.
Just to say that there might be another option…..if you can wait long enough ?
Happy playing with the Theatre.
MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark
I just got my Beosound Theatre 65" in gold with the new (I was told it was new) smoked oak front panels + a C2.
I really like it, actually surprised how well it performs as a complete package. It replaced a Beovision 14 that broke down that, while I did still appreciate the design, was wearing me thin. It had multiple problems from day one.
Here is the quest(ions).
I'd love to get a full(er) Atmos experience. I don't have the space for huge speakers behind the sofa, nor are my wife very supportive of the idea. .
But since my setup is a bit atypical I have a Beolab 5 that is located exactly where the rear left would be. The other BL5 is where the front left would be.
My first questions is if I can add this as a left rear. YES, I know it wont be ideal - it's overpowered and wont be matched with a similar speaker on the right rear.
But the speaker is there and I'd love to try it out.
The question is:
1) The BL5's are currently connected via Coax + PL to a Core. Would I be able to connect the Core to the Theatre and select that speaker? I have read and looked in the app and it doesnt look like it.
2) This is the real question: My (left rear) BL5 has an additional PL2 input. Would I be able to buy a Beolab Reciever 1* and plug in the beolab 5 into second powerlink input on the BL5.
Would the BL5 be clever enough to play that input? (Assuming the core is not playing anything)
3) Does anyone here have experience with adding a speaker to the Theatre using the Beolab Reciever 1?
*https://www.bang-olufsen.com/da/dk/hoejttalere/beolab-receiver-1
Sorry if this makes your brains hurt, thinking about adding a BL5 as a single rear. It's really just a matter of it's "that" or nothing at all and since I wont be using the Atmos for Deutche Grammofon stuff, but more likely spaceships sounds I have a theory it might work.
And yes I will add a right rear, possibly a BL3 also using a Beolab Reciever 1.
Please advice :)
Hi Millemissen
What a brilliant and detailed reply. I did what you suggested and tried it out. Just a very crude cables across the floor proof-of-concept. Plugged in directly from PL1 on the Theatre to the BL5 added the speaker and ran a listening position. Of course it's not balacced with no right rear, but it made a GREAT difference to the "Atmos" part and with the options in the app to either boost or reduce the Db of each inividual external speaker I feel like I should be able to work out something where a smaller speaker could fill out the void on Right Rear.
However.
When ever I have both the Powerlink from the Core and the Powerlink from the Theare connected at the same time, and even though the Core is off (and the other BL5 is Red) the sound is distorted. It happens the second the second cable is connected, if I unplug it during a sound test the distortion is instant, even to the point that volume + / - has a digital noise sound.
To explain my setup:
I have a Core that feeds digital and PL into BL5-Right and from there both Coax-digital and PL ibto BL5-Left. So on BL5 right both the 2xCoax (in out) and both PL2 plugs are used, on the BL5-Left only Coax in and PL1 is usted, and then I add the second PL2 from the Theatre.
Can someone explain why those two interfer with each other even with the Core off (well on stand by, not unplugged)
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Probably a stupid idea, but could I perhaps avoid the issue by adding a plug such as this:
https://www.av-connection.dk/?PNo=BO-PLSP-002B
So both Core and Theatre is on the same PL plug on BL5-Left.
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Any other cowboy-solutions?
What I'd rather not do is cut out the Core completely because I did try running the BL5's on Powerlink "only" and I noticed a clear degradation of sound quality over the Coax-digital connection I have now.
I was also looking at
https://www.av-connection.dk/?PGr=13426
Maybe I could connect Core and Theatre to that and then feed one source into the BL5-Left?
One theory I have about the noise is that it's not a MK2 cable I am using. So I ordered up new Mk2 cables to rule out that being the case. I am sceptical about it though because it sounds just perfect whenever there is only a cable between theater and BL5 - it's the second two wires are connected the distrotion (lower volume, noisy, digital noise on volume change) happens.
You should never connect two devices/two PL cables to one speaker!!!
(I did not suggest that!)
And the splitter cable won’t change that.
In theory the Almando Switch should work.
However, if it does in your case, I can’t say.
You could try that out - I am sure you can return the switch if not.
In general I am pretty sure that the result of having two this different speakers as surrounds/rears will not be satisfying (unless you decide for yourself that it is).
Rear/surround speakers have nothing to do with Atmos (that comes from upfiring/hight channels).
The right respectively the left speaker there become their own seperate signal/channel from the source in a 5.0 speaker setup.
Honestly - I’d rethink the setup!
Please do concider if one of the 3 suggested solutions (especially 2) could be possible instead.
MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark
Hello again Millemissen - thank you, really appreciate your input!
Oh, I did not know that it was a completele no go to connect two PL cables to one speaker - thanks for clearing that up. I just saw two PL ports and went for it. I'm happy to report the BL5 did not take any immediate damage, as I have been using it all night :)
I understand the rears are not a part of the Atmos. And just to be clear, I'm very impressed with the Theater on it's own. While recent B&O additions to my home as the Balance have all been good, it's been a while since I felt like a product really justified it's price and lived up to the anticipation I had.
While having just one rear installed I tried some out some Atmos material such as the new Eric Clapton - Lady on the Balcony blu-ray and what one single rear did for the experience seriously impressed me - I never had any surround before so I am easy to impress I suppose. I understand you are not saying rears wont help just to 1) Reorganize the living room which is really impossible, there is no way unfortunately 2) Add rears and keep the BL5 out of it. That is of course possible, but the left rear would need to be within 0,5 m Ø of the BL5 and it's not a matter of getting the wife onboard, I dont like the idea. Also, I'm not ditching the BL5's for something more modern :)
I'm very impressed with how the B&O App allows me to tune each speaker. While it cant tune a BL3 into a BL5, it could tone down the bass on the BL5 make it resemble a BL3 more, at least to my untrained ear - for hi-fidelity I will always rely on tube-amp + headphones or BL5 from core, so the sourround bit is just for fun. I hope I am somewhat right, honestly, I might be very wrong and end up with a pair of BL3, a PL Switch and a Beosound Reciever 1.
I'll report back here on what I do, at least you can get a big old "told you so" if turns out to be very dumb.
Two final questions if you dont mind
1) You wrote:
"Or as an option for this – when B&O will have sorted out the Theatre/Receiver 1 problem – a set of BL3’s."
Am I missing something here. Is there a general Theatre <-> Receiver 1 problem or just with the Beolab 5. The B&O retailer told me the Reciever 1 would work with the Theatre, so I assumed this was a viable path for the BL3.
2) Do you know of any way to add the Core to the Theatre in a way where I could still use Coax-digital to feed the BL5s from the Core but the Theatre would be able to see the BL5's on the core. Wish there was a Powerlink In.
Final thought: I wonder, and this is very very hypothetical. But if the Reciever 1 was added to the Almando Powerlink switch, if that could theortically, make it work with the BL5. Or is just the the signal the Reicever 1 send that the BL5 doesnt like. Just a throught...
Thanks again for taking the time and making the effort!
The doubled PL’s that excist in many BL’s is just a switch used to daisychain the PL signal to another speaker.
Of course it is always a delicate matter to give advice to someone, when you do not know the details of the room and the circumstances.
Looking forward to hear how you get along.
You can read about the ‘receiver 1 issue’ in the big BST thread
Location: Flensborg————Danmark
Hi again
I enjoy reading your posts.
A - Good to know regarding the Reciever 1 vs BST issue. Read the entire thread and I can see it's an ongong issue, but that it can work but just (for now) not quite ideal. Correct?
B - Your interpretation of my view on Sourround was not what I meant :) I work with a venue that has build an entire Atmos room to the highest standards (and budget) and having experienced that I am not in any way disregarding that. Not at all. I like my BL5's on their own. I tried hooking both BL5s up to the BST and for music I like the BL5s more on their own. With very well made (regardless of ones taste) music such as Moby - Reprise (released as Atmos on Blu-ray) or Atmos music from Tidal. On that note seems like Apple Music is really moving fast on building out the Atmos library (unfortunately unlike the Tidal app that supports Atmos on the Webos LG App, Applue Music doesnt yet) . So, for me, BST will be for Movies and video-concerts.
I'm going to order up the parts now, but I have one final thought.
With the switch (that we dont know IF works) this would be my setup
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I was just thinking if the following could be an option.
I guess not since when listning to music from the Core I dont want the BL3 to play. I guess with the Almando switch I cant add two different units AFTER the switch?
I was exploring this idea because I A) wanted to avoid the reciever 1 issues B) I already have a PL going under the floor in my livingroom that comes out behind the sofa, so if I could split this that would be very good.
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It seems to me - from your picture(s), that you still have two PL cables going in to the BL5 - one from the Core and also one from the Theatre/the Almando Switch.
The switch is meant for connecting two devices to one set of BL’s.
Daisychaining like that from the switch to the two different speaker will be a mess, when setting up in the Theatre.
You would not need a splitter for that by the way - just go from the 5 to the 3…..if that really is what you want to.
If I understand the underfloor cabling right……..why not use the underfloor PL cable for a BL3.
Daisychaining that to the 3 on the right is maybe possible.
Then move the BL5 up to the right side of the BST (and connect it there with a PL cable)….if enough space in the room.
If you still want to use the Core with the 5’s, the Almando might help - although I do not know what happens, if you have the coax connection there too.
P.S.
With your experience of multichannel/Atmos you should be predestinated to have that in your home too ?
And you can make as many combinations of speakers as you need….for different purposes.
MM
Location: Flensborg————Danmark
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